Sunday, July 15, 2012

The Truth in Exile

I am going to start trying this way instead of posting questions at the end I am going to insert them in the text like this, posing my questions and comments lije this in bold italic I am hoping for your responses.

in honor of the good and pleasent Mr. Zalman Shazar blessings of life and great peace.

Two days ago I sent you good delacacies that your soul loves, and I hope that you feel them in great pleasentness. Also now I send you a good present from the house of hidden treasures of our teacher, the apple of our eyes the flowing stream the source of wisdom, may the memory of the tzaddik be for a blessing.
The main point of the coming of the Messiah is to reveal truth in the world, and this is the main Redemtion. (the main point to the redemption is to reveal the truth in the world?) For now the truth is in great exile, and each one says the truth is with him. truth and falsehood are akin to a king and a slave, and because the power of falsehood, the son of the king was switched with the son of the slave, until people thought the the slave was the son of the king. and about the son of the king they thought the opposite, as is explained in the stories of Rebbe Nachman the exchanged children.
And the main nullification of the falsehood and revelation of the truth is by a person negating himself from everything until he is literally like dust, akin to "and let my soul be like dust to everyone" from the amiddah prayer. For everyone grows from the earth. And all things and all creation is drawn to the earth.
And it is impossible to be seperated from the earth except through the repulsive force, meaninng that someone forces the object and takes if from its place on the earth and removes it from there. And according to the strength of this force so is the object seperated from the earth. And afterwards when this force desists, the object returns to the earth. For the earth has the attractive force and attracts all things to it. And if this were not so then it would not be possible to exist upon it. For it is round and all people on earth stand aroud it. For it woud be fitting to fall off it, if not for the attractive force.
And there is a True Tzaddik who is the foundation of the world, and all things stand upon him. And this Tzaddik, who is unique in the world, is humble and lowly and makes himself like dust, and through this he has the attractive force to draw the whole world to him.(who is the tzaddik? not who but like what is? What is exactly his role? What is exactly the tzaddik? What does it mean that he draws the whole world to him?  In what way? How? through is books? through our hearts?) To bring them near to the blessed L-rd and his Holy Torah. And behold it would be fitting for all human beings should be drawn to this Tzaddik. (all human beings? including the gentile nations? What for them? that they should also learn the books of Rebbe Nachman and draw close to him? ) who is an aspect of dust that has the attractive force mentioned above. except that through the repusive foce people desist and are distanced from him. Meaning that there are people who, through there speech and actions, repulse people and distance them from the Tzaddik mentioned above. And according to the power of this force, so does it create distance from the Tzaddik. And the main repulsive power is through arrogance and a haughty spirit and pursuit of honor, as when the person fears that his honor will be diminished and he will be ridiculed if he draws near to the truth.
Therefore everyone who want the real truth should humble his mind and remember his true smallness and unworthiness. And everything that has happend to him in his lifetime. And if he will truly feel his unworthiness then certainly the truth will be revealed to him, and the attractive power will overcome the repulsive power.And he will be drawn with great speed to the True Tzaddik. Likutay Mohaoran 1, 70
With a heartfelt request for peace for you and your dependants, and a blessing of health for the body and soul.
Yisroel Dov Odesser tiberias

Letter 2 of Blossoms of the spring pg.45-46

If anyone else wishes to make any observations questions or comments on anything other then what I mentioned please feel free to do so. Also I will try to post these as often as I can, just been kinda busy latley so sorry about the long wait between posts. please keep coming back and participating. pz nanachs,
NA NACH NACHMA NACHMAN MEUMAN!

10 comments:

  1. (the main point to the redemption is to reveal the truth in the world?)
    yes. thats what Saba said. Rebbe Nachman talks about it alot. He says the main point of the redemption is that the whole world will have perfect Daas (Godly knowledge). The only reason there is pain and suffering in the world is because we lack Daas.
    Saba said the main point of the redemption will be to reveal Rebbe Nachman to the world. Through him the whole world can have perfect Daas and be redeemed (and ANYBODY can experience the redemption already through connceting to Rebbe Nachman's teachings.)

    (who is the tzaddik?)
    Rebbe Nachman
    (not who but like what is?)
    not sure what your asking
    (What is exactly his role?)
    to save the world.
    (What is exactly the tzaddik?)
    The Tzaddik is the single pefected person whose mission is to heal the world and bring everybody back to God. The most important people to do that were Moshe Rabeinu, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, the Arizal, the Baal Shem Tov, and Rebbe Nachman. From Rebbe Nachman until Moshiach there will be nothing new.
    (What does it mean that he draws the whole world to him? In what way? How? through is books? through our hearts?)
    Saba said, ""We need to publicize this that the main part of the redemption is dependent on Rabbainu Rabbi Nachman, to draw close to him. What is it to come close? To learn his books and to fulfill them."
    Also through our hearts, I think. Through connecting to his books and through saying his name alot (Na Nach Nachma Nachman MeUman) the Tzadik enters our hearts and helps us guide us along the true path to God.

    (all human beings? including the gentile nations? What for them? that they should also learn the books of Rebbe Nachman and draw close to him? )
    Saba said Na Nach is for the non-Jews also. I'm not sure what he meant by that. I don't know if that means they should study his books, or if they should just say Na Nach. I guess they could probably learn what is relevant to them (i.e. whatever relates to the 7 Noahide laws.) Although I am not really sure.

    P.S. I dont know anything. These answers are just based on my understandings, which could be wrong. Anything from Saba or Rebbe Nachman, however, is always right.

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  2. You said "The most important people to do that were Moshe Rabeinu, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, the Arizal, the Baal Shem Tov, and Rebbe Nachman. From Rebbe Nachman until Moshiach there will be nothing new."

    what about Saba?


    you said "the main point to the redemption is to reveal the truth in the world?)
    yes. thats what Saba said. Rebbe Nachman talks about it alot. He says the main point of the redemption is that the whole world will have perfect Daas (Godly knowledge). The only reason there is pain and suffering in the world is because we lack Daas.
    Saba said the main point of the redemption will be to reveal Rebbe Nachman to the world. Through him the whole world can have perfect Daas and be redeemed (and ANYBODY can experience the redemption already through connceting to Rebbe Nachman's teachings"

    Thanks for that info very enlightening!

    also I said what is the tzaddik?

    I guess what I mean here, is that the tzaddik is obviously Rebbe Nachman, but like it says the tzaddik is the foundation of the world, and the whole point of the Torah is the tzaddik.?

    so I guess what I am saying is isn't Rebbe Nachman a man, a human being? Or is he more then that? Because if he is a man, a human being then G-d created the whole world, with rebbe nachman as the foundation? a man?

    and The point of all the mitzvote is Rebbe Nachman? I don't get it..? shouldn't the point be G-d? And if Rebbe Nachman is a man, then the piont of all the mitzvote is a man??

    If I am saying anything wrong here please forgive me I am seriously just kind of confused on this part and would apprcieate any light you or anyone can shed.

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  3. "You said 'The most important people to do that were Moshe Rabeinu, Rabbi Shimon bar Yochai, the Arizal, the Baal Shem Tov, and Rebbe Nachman. From Rebbe Nachman until Moshiach there will be nothing new.' what about Saba?"

    Saba was nullified to Rebbe Nachman. He was completely dedicated to spreading Rebbe Nachman's teachings throughout the world. The only chiddush (new thing) I know of that Saba revealed was Na Nach, but really Rebbe Nachman revealed it, Saba was just the messenger (as he himself said). Eventually Saba reached the same levels as Rabeinu (i.e. breaking all his desires, especially sexual desire, and nullifying himself completely to the service of G-d).

    "I guess what I mean here, is that the tzaddik is obviously Rebbe Nachman, but like it says the tzaddik is the foundation of the world, and the whole point of the Torah is the tzaddik.?"

    The world exists only for the sake of the Jewish people. And the Jewish people only exist in the merit of the True Tzadikim (for example, if not for Moshe, we would have all been destroyed at the sin of the golden calf). The Tzadik encopasses the entire Torah. In a sense he is the Torah. It is impossible to have any understandings of G-d or what G-d wants from us without the Tzadik. (only Moshe went up to get the Torah. Unless we trust him that every word of the Torah was dictated to him by G-d, we cannot believe in the Torah, which means we cannot believe in G-d.)

    "so I guess what I am saying is isn't Rebbe Nachman a man, a human being? Or is he more then that? Because if he is a man, a human being then G-d created the whole world, with rebbe nachman as the foundation? a man?"

    He is a human being. However, through our actions, we can either be lower than a worm or higher than even the angels. The True Tzadikim are higher than all the angels and second only to G-d. "The Tzadik commands and G-d fulfills" (Gemara). In a sense, the world exists only for him, since it is only in his merit that the world is able to exist at all.

    "and The point of all the mitzvote is Rebbe Nachman? I don't get it..? shouldn't the point be G-d? And if Rebbe Nachman is a man, then the piont of all the mitzvote is a man??"

    The point is G-d. The Tzadik brings us to G-d; he shows us how to serve G-d. The point of all the mitzvot is to draw us close to G-d. However, the Tzadik shows us how to keep the mitzvot. Attaching to the Tzadik itself is the most important Mitzvah, because only through him is there any hope for our souls.

    Again, these are all my own understandings. Please check out the 7 pillars of faith by yitzchak breiter (7th pillar is the pillar of the Tzadik.) It may really help you to understand this better.
    Here is a link to it I just found: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Seven_Pillars_of_Faith

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  4. Yaakov, who told you that the point of all the mitzvos is Rebbe Nachman/the True Tzaddik? Where did you get this idea from? nanach oi! didn't say it, Saba didn't say it, I didn't say it?

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  5. I don't know I thought I read somewhere I guess. But This is what I meant.. I know the point is G-d but, I just thought some how it goes through the tzaddik... I don't really got the theology down, here this is all still kinda new. Of course it is all for Hashem, My whole life is for Hashem, and no other..., I guess I just didn't get it exactly. I would never even dream of replacing the tzaddik in Hashems place, This was my main problem I had with xanity!! I don't know I guess I thought I read that or heard it or somthing like that... Only Hashem is G-d and He is One! I guess I just didn't quite get it...

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  6. WOW! THANKS SO MUCH NANACH OI! That made so much more sense! I definitly needed that info thanks.

    thanks you both for your comments!
    :-)

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  7. I feel terrible, like I made a big sin! I really didnt mean the tzaddik is the point I just meant I thought it was thru him or somthing... It really was a accident. I feel terrible!

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  8. Many of these issues and confusions are a matter of semantics. I agree with everything that Moshiach Oi said. very well put. and Yaakov. We are all new to all of this Na Nach. Na Nach is always new and never a dogma or a theology. The world keeps changing and the tzadik keeps growing. this is how I would put it.

    "The main point of the Mitzvot is to do them because the Tzadik said to do them and the Tzadik said that this is the way to attatch to G-d."
    You may say "G-d said to do the mitzvot, not the tzadik. the tzadik was simply saying what G-d tells him to say" Though this is true we must remember that there are many that are saying that G-d is telling them stuff. but G-d is commanding the Tzadik alone to lead us. the question remains "Who is the Tzadik?" and for us believers "Who is Rebbe Nachman really"
    Many religions and many different people all want to connect with G-d. It is connection with the Tzadik that makes Judiasm Judiasm. Judiasm without Moshe Rebainu is NOT Judiasm, EVEN with the Mitzvot. (for example there are Xtrian groups that keep shabbos and kosher and place tefilin etc) and G-d without Moshe Rebainu is Idolotry. (as is examplified in the incident of the golden calf) There is no way to attatch to G-d without the Tzadik once the tzadik is known in the world.
    Many different philosophies in the world but only the tzadik can direct us to Hashem and so it remains. THE MAIN POINT IS CONNECTION TO THE TZADIK BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY WAY TO CONNECT TO G-D.

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  9. p.s. I am also trying to piece everything together. this is what I gathered and how I currently view things. thought there must be a clearer way to put things, I can't find one yet.

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  10. Anunimi - if Rabbi Nachman is the only way to connect to Hashem - then why did Saba say that the author of the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch (R' Ganzfried) and Rav Yosef Chaim Sonnenfeld and Reb Mottel were big tzaddikim and holy people? They were not connected to Rabbi Nachman as far as Saba and we know.

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